Producing rap/trap and finger drumming

Hello everyone, I’m glad to be a part of the community. I wanted to ask one question.
Here is first something about me so you could possibly answer better :smiley:
I’ve started my journey in beat making (mostly rap/trap, dancehall/reggae) for a few months now and recently I got myself a mikro mk2 controller to use it with maschine software and to learn to finger drum (inspired by youtube videos where producers jam their beats).
I didn’t have any musical background but in those few months I learned a good amount of music theory and I learned to play piano pretty decently and I still practice every day.
I started to investigate what would be the best way to practice finger drumming and I found this incredible site and I finished beginners course and started free lessons from grooving and improving. Thanks for the free stuff Rob!
My question is, would paying for membership and learning from courses here benefit me for my production based on the genres I’m in.
My goal is not to be an expert live performer, but I want to learn some theory behind programming beats/drums and to be able to coordinate my hands and play at a decent level, to learn some real songs and then start to incorporate those into my production.
From my piano learning I know how to be patient and I would take some time everyday to practice so that is not the problem :smiley:
Again thanks for the courses and this amazing community, wish you all good and happy New Year (and sorry if my English was bad or if you couldn’t understand something).

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Hey Voolovich,

My guess is the courses will help you out even though they’re not very trap / dancehall /reggae oriented. What they will help with is timing and groove and to some extent how to think like a drummer. All of those things will probably benefit you as a musician.

That said, I dont think the courses here will help you 100% in your beat making. You will probably need some extra training outside questforgroove.

I hope other students can share their experience to give a more nuanced picture.

If you get premium and feel like it wont really work for you, I’ll give you all your money back within 30 days by the way. No problem. So no risk in signing up and going through some premium lessons.

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@Robert_Mathijs, @Voolovich, I joined as a paid member becuase the quality of the lessons are really very good. Now I’m predominantley a jazz and classical player, but I do create backing tracks for myself and of course could at some point extend my musical creative vocabulary. Athough there will be a jazz course out sometime in 2021 hopefully, I used this platform to help me learn to play live into my Ableton DAW and to try to improve the feel and sound of my recordings. As a wind player (far-t-oo many xmas sprouts!!), I can play reasonably well on my primary instruments, but when it comes to instruments that I’m not so expert at playing, keeping in time is quite difficult. In just a few months of lessons with Rob, learning to drum for the first time ever, my entire ability to play live into Ableton has improved by about 500%. I would recommend trying it, I think you will be surprised at how the leaning improves your overall musical capability.

Hope this helps.

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@Voolovich - for my 2 cents:

I’m interested in a set of genres very similar to yours, and production is higher in priority for me than performance skills.

I strongly believe that for the (realistically nominal) fee for membership here, it is ABSOLUTELY worth it, provided of course that it fits your budget easily enough. If nothing else, you can try it for a few months to see how it suits you.

The Funk , the Breakbeat, and to an extent the Easy, Awesome & Real courses I believe have drum patterns that can apply to a lot of hip-hop styles. And of course the Timing course is applicable for everyone!

To my own experience, learning music is learning music. The basics are the basics, regardless of genre. I’m finding that the better I get at what is taught here, the easier it is for me to replicate drum patterns from songs / drum loops; as well as translate to nearly any genre. It’s also educational and often surprising to find how grooves fit to musical styles you may not have expected. Especially when you start changing out drum kits and other sounds, and making your own variations and combinations on the Q4G grooves.

I kinda think that getting comfortable with multiple styles and techniques is potentially where a lot of your own creativity can come from as you progress.

There’s nothing else out there that compares to what you will get here. And brother, there’s tremendous value in being able to get ‘kinetic’ with your music :slight_smile:

Furthermore, there is so much I have learned by building on these lessons. Creating my own backing tracks, chopping loops from some favorite tracks to play to and experiment with… I mean it just goes on and on. I’ve been having more fun with music than I ever have.

What software are you working in for your production? I may be able to help you find great resources to fill in the gaps for producing rap/dancehall/reggae/etc.

-russ

also, @Robert_Mathijs - since it’s come up here:

  1. I know you have a Reggae video on YouTube, but I would love to see a more fleshed-out set of lessons somewhere down the line

  2. A very key aspect of the trap sub-genre that @Voolovich has brought up is a lot of triplet-based high-hat and sometimes snare rolls. It would be great to see even just a few lessons on this (there may already be some in courses I haven’t dug into yet…)

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Thanks a lot for the replies, @RajasicBeats your covered all my concerns.
I will go with the premium and see where it will take me.
Wish you all a great day!

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Thanks for the suggestions! I’ll see what I can do and when. I’m always developing new content so more stuff like this will be made for sure.

In the meantime, have you seen this video about using “swipes” to do the trap hat trick?

Or this one that does the same thing but for normal drum rolls?

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Outstanding! o/\o

Yes! I have seen that and tried it out on my Launchpad X, but haven’t yet set one up on the Push 2…

I’m definitely looking very much forward to the Jazz course you’ve alluded to btw.

Great! Im starting research into that somewherr this month and will most likely start filming the course around the end of april. So its still some months away, but it will come for sure!

I have sended many messages about getting MK3, but now I’m havin another consern again.

This is also what im going to do :smiley: So I think 16pads is ok for rap kinda music since mostly needed 4-5 different drums and some samples / melodies.
But would I make more out of 64pads?? Like that trap hi hat was so awesome, but sinse im not so much for the live performance (yet)…

Its so hard to deside how I want to roll this. Glad I got this site.

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Yeah thats a deeply personal decision. All I can say is that 16 pads are almost always enough for normal drumming. You only need 64 pads for extra stuff like that drum roll trick or to trigger other samples, daw control etc. If anything, for just drumming 64 pads will make it harder.

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Well now I lock it up! Mikro mk3 it is and when im getting basic 16th beat I can think again about next step :sunglasses:

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