I noticed that I have exterme difficulty with relaxing my hands

Hi all

I’m new to this. Still going through free courses…
I did quite a lot of melodics stuff but had issues with it not really teaching anything apart from timing.
Figured I need proper course rather than playing “guitar hero” :slight_smile:

Anyway I love Quest for Groove! Amazing stuff!

Now…to my issue…
I noticed quite a while ago, that all my life I tend to really tense up whenever I’m trying to do something really well. Doesn’t matter what it is…I would sqeeze the life out of my bass guitar neck, squeeze my simulator steering wheel to the point my knuckles would turn white…etc.

Same goes for finger drumming. I noticed that even really easy patterns that I have no issue playing…after few measures my wrist becomes locked my whole arm becomes rigid and I’m ending up drumming with my fingers rather than,…my body. The irony of it is that I used to be a ballroom dancer, so I can feel the groove and move to it pretty well…

So my question…are there any exercises, tips you have to loosen up?
This drives me bananas, because it’s ok when the beat is easy and not super fast…but as we all know, part of being fast, is being relaxed. When you become tense, muscles get tired very easy, precision and timing go out of the window after few minutes…and whole effort goes out of the window…

I would imagine, this will be the biggest challenge to me, considering that I have probably 30 years behind me of that horrible habit across everything I do :./

Help!

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Hey Kamil, welcome aboard!

Yeah the tensing up is a real issue, with the only consolation pobably being that you’re not the only one who deals with this stuff. My guess is It is one of the more common problems amongst musicians on all sorts of instruments.

You indicate that it happens in other areas for you as well, so tensing up is clearly something that your brain has trained itself to do when you point your attention at something in a certain way.

The question is, what causes it? Most of the time it happens because something is hard to play, or fast or something like that. BUT it can also be that this is what happens every time you do “intense listening”, by which I mean really zooming in with your ears on what you are playing, or the music you’re playing along to, or both.

So let’s figure that out first, but let me give some advice for both cases I mention above (if its neither of them, feel free to say so, there might be other stuff going on):

  • If you’re cramping up because stuff is technically difficult to play, the answer is almost always to slow things down or to work on easier beats for a while in order to lay a more solid, effortless foundation. I think this is probably not your problem right now though, from what I’m reading.
  • If it’s the intense listening thing it’s more complicated because it’s more like your ears are distracting you from paying any attention to your body :slight_smile:

I still struggle with this in the form of forward head posture whenever I’m “in the music”. I do think I found a way to deal with the problem but it does take some time and it’s very easy to fall back into previous “bad behaviour” as soon as you stop paying attention to it.

So what I do is this:

  • I determine what it is I’m going to play or practice, usually a short loop of a couple of bars plus one fill or something.
  • I allow myself to play it like total crap. So it does not have to sound good at all.
  • I do listen to what I’m playing but I don’t ‘really’ listen, because I mostly focus on my body and what things feel like. I then do a sort of body scan while playing, so I let my attention go to my left arm, right arm, and then my neck and then just the overall feeling of standing up straight, and then my left arm again, right arm etc.

This does work and it seems to improve things over time, but it is a nasty habit to overcome. And I must admit that when I truly give it my all in a difficult performance, my head does move forward again.

I do think this is the way though. You probably need double the amount of practice sessions, where one half of the session you focus mostly on your body and less on the music, and from there, having established and familiarised your brain with playing and relaxing, you make the shift towards listening more and really getting into the music.

One way to help with this is to set a timer. So only go “into the music” for like 1 minute or so, and then th timer goes off and you have to do 1 minute of the more body scan kind of playing. Alternating that a couple of times might slowly get you out of the cramping up habit.

Finally… note that this gets harder when the beats and fills get harder. I still deal with his. If I’m performing on the top of my game musically my head does move forward again because I have no room left :slight_smile: So there is always a component of stretching your limits there. The thing is that stuff that is easy to me now was not easy a few years back and with the easy stuff I can focus on my posture more… so that’s probably the same for you. You will always have a tendency to cramp up, but as you get better, certain things will start to feel easier, and you will have room left to also focus on relaxing when playing those things. It’s a lifelong thing to keep paying attention to though!

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Thank you!
Very well thought response!

I think in my case it’s a little bit of both.
Everyone tense up when trying to play something difficult. I think it’s (unfortunately) a natural body mechanism. Probably artifacts of fight or flight response inherited from our cave dwelling ancestors.

But in my case it is also part of my…focusing process. When I’m shutting everything off and focusing on one task to perform it well or fast:

  • write a sentence with fountain pen in Spencerian Cursive - I will grip pen waaay too hard
  • write fast during exam - I will have sore hand up to my wrist after
  • drive consistently on the sim racing rig - my hands, arms, shoulders, neck - will be sore after a while
  • finger drumming - I even noticed that I have difficulty consistently hitting pads…softly…I can do it no problem…but if I stop focusing on it…I will default after few second to my “normal” mode which in my opinion is…ok but too hard for no reason resulting in lost energy and speed as well to some degree.

I agree. This is going to be a lot of steps backwards because tense I can play well for a while :smiley: When focusing on being relaxed everything seems to be off :confused:

But I do know that it will hold me back in a long run. Even in Melodics I got to the point where I couldn’t play faster 16 note hihats simply because my hand would not be able to keep up.
Then again I would argue that a lot of the songs there require you to play continuous 16th note hats with right hand while playing beat with the other. I’m not saying it’s impossible…but think there are better ways - your pad layout :wink:

I have a friend who would tense up doing certain asks throughout the day, like brushing his teeth (he would then grab the toothbrush with a lot of force) which then lead to him developing pain in is arms.

This is a shitty problem to have, but maybe an approach of moments of mindfulness throughout the day, doing every task while trying not to cramp up might actually be a way to get rid of this bad habit. So not just finger drumming, but also tooth brushing, grabbing the steering wheel of your car etc.

A bit like if you want to have a straight back, doing yoga for 20 minutes (but then sitting hunched over the rest of the day) probably will not work.

I wonder if there are people who developed a system for this. There must be so many folks dealing with something similar.

I sure hope there are.
I know that this is not going to be …an easy life hack type of thing…

I really noticed it yesterday when practicing one of your exercises. And really started focusing on relaxing.
I think I experienced the opposite reaction…kind of a catch 22 of sorts.
Because I started solely focusing on my hand to relax and my wrist become …less rigid and to stop drumming with my fingers but rather hand and wrist…I simply could not because I was so focusing on it haha
My hand tenses up to listen to me, but I’m telling it to relax haha.
It’s actually quite hilarious not that I think about it :smiley:

I will start today on your advise and spend at least half of my time on relaxing my hand while pushing timing down the priority list.

I will see if I can slow down the beat to the point where I can maintain being relaxed and after that I will gradually start bring it up and observe if there is a threshold where I can’t do both things at the same time (staying relaxed and in time)

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My latest course about Moeller technique is probably too much to take on right now but the movement is in itself a wrist relaxation exercise. If you don’t relax your wrist the movement won’t work.

So that is something to keep in mind. Maybe you want to skip to that course a little sooner than what might be appropriate for most students, just to get the wrist relaxation going. You might be able to try it after “Hit the gym”. And then perhaps after a couple of lessons in the Moeller technique course skip back to an earlier course from there to also get the other things right. Just an idea.